States Minutes 1 March 2023

Published on: 1 March 2023

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THE STATES assembled on Wednesday 1st March 2023, at 9.30 a.m. under

the Presidency of

Mrs. Lisa-Marie Hart , Greffier of the States. __________________

All members were present at roll call with the exception of –

Deputy Kristina Louise Moore of St. Mary , St. Ouen and St. Peter – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.46 a.m.) Deputy Philip Francis Cyril Ozouf of St. Saviour – excused attendance

Deputy David James Warr of St. Helier South – en défaut (défaut raised at 9.46 a.m.)

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Prayers

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Standing Order 55A – remote participation

THE STATES, with reference to their Act dated 14th September 2021, in which they had agreed that, notwithstanding Standing Order 55A(1), members who did not wish to attend in the States Chamber might continue to take part in States meetings using Microsoft Teams (until the States had considered and voted upon a proposition to re-apply Standing Order 55A(1) or to repeal or vary the terms of the Standing Order), assembled in accordance with Standing Order 55A with members able to participate remotely using Microsoft Teams.

Documents presented

Land Transactions under Standing Order 168(3) – The General Hospital – Andium R.33/2023. Homes Ltd.'s site, Kensington Place – Sale to the Public.

Presented: 1st March 2023, Minister for Infrastructure.

Vote of No Confidence: Chair of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel P.7/2023

THE STATES resumed consideration of a proposition of Deputy Sir Philip Martin Bailhache of St. Clement entitled Vote of No Confidence: Chair of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel' (P.7/2023) and, adopting the proposition, agreed that they had no confidence in the Chair of the Health and Social Security Scrutiny Panel.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 17 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN: 14

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Trinity Deputy G.P. Southern Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Peter Deputy M. Tadier Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Martin Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Connétable of Grouville Deputy R.J. Ward Deputy K.F. Morel Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy C.S. Alves Deputy I. Gardiner Connétable of St. Mary Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy I.J. Gorst Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy S.Y. Mézec Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy T.A. Coles Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy B. Ward

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy M.B. Andrews

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

Deputy Margaret Elaine Millar of St. John , St. Lawrence and Trinity , as Minister for Social Security, and Deputy Karen Margaret Wilson of St. Clement , as Minister for Health and Social Services, did not cast a vote, in accordance with the ruling of the Bailiff on 28th February 2023.

Establishment of a Climate Council P.117/2022

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of the Minister for the Environment entitled Establishment of a Climate Council' (P.117/2022) and, adopting paragraph (b) of an amendment of Deputy Thomas Antony Coles of St. Helier South (P.117.2022 Amd.), agreed that, after the words "set out in the Report", there should be inserted the words ", except that on page 4, after the words "States Assembly.", there should be inserted the words "The Council will consider and advise on Carbon Sequestrating initiatives that would be applicable to Jersey.""

THE STATES, resuming consideration of the proposition of the Minister for the Environment, as amended, rejected paragraph (a) of the amendment of Deputy Thomas Antony Coles of St. Helier South that, after the words "set out in the Report", there should be inserted the words ", except that the delivery phase for the Climate Council should be 2 years instead of 4 years, with all references to the 4-year delivery phase amended accordingly".

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 19 CONTRE: 27 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy M.B. Andrews

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy K.L. Moore Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

THE STATES, adopting the proposition of the Minister for the Environment, as amended, approved, in accordance with the amendment made by the Environment, Housing and Infrastructure Scrutiny Panel to the Carbon Neutral Roadmap, agreed on 29th April 2022, the establishment of a Climate Council for Jersey with terms of reference and membership as set out in the Report, except that on page 4, after the words "States Assembly." there should be inserted the words "The Council will consider and advise on Carbon Sequestrating initiatives that would be applicable to Jersey."

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 45 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Draft Banking Business (Amendment No. 7 – Commencement) (Jersey) Act 202- P.2/2023

THE STATES made an Act entitled the Banking Business (Amendment No. 7 – Commencement) (Jersey) Act 2023 under Article 4 of the Banking Business (Amendment No. 7) (Jersey) Law 2011.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 41 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy H.M. Miles

Deputy M.R. Scott

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy A.F. Curtis

Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Trainee Minimum Wage P.5/2023

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Max Brennan Andrews of St. Helier North entitled Trainee Minimum Wage' (P.5/2023) and, adopting an amendment of the Minister for Social Security, agreed that, for the words "integrated into a single minimum wage rate" there should be substituted the words "harmonised with the main minimum wage rate, by way of Ministerial Order,".

THE STATES, adopting the proposition of Deputy Max Brennan Andrews of St. Helier North, as amended, agreed that the trainee minimum wage rates should be harmonised with the main minimum wage rate, by way of Ministerial Order, for all employees of school leaving age and above, no later than 1st January 2024, pursuant to the Jersey Employment Forum's recommendations published on 8th September 2022.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 41 CONTRE: 7 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy C.S. Alves

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune

Deputy M.E. Millar

Deputy M.R. Ferey

Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Grouville Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet

Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Assembly consideration of the Bilateral Treaty with the UAE P.6/2023

THE STATES commenced consideration of a proposition of Deputy Samuel Yves Mézec of St. Helier South entitled Assembly consideration of the Bilateral Treaty with the UAE' (P.6/2023) and, adopting an amendment of the Minister for External Relations and Financial Services (P.6/2023 Amd.(2)), agreed that, in paragraph (a), after the words "to take the necessary" there should be inserted the word "final"; for the word "ensure" there should be substituted the word "bring"; the words "does not come" should be deleted; and for the words "until such time as the Treaty has been considered by the States Assembly" there should be substituted the words "as soon as possible".

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Samuel Yves Mézec of St. Helier South , as amended, and, adopting an amendment of Deputy Sir Philip Martin Bailhache of St. Clement (P.6/2023 Amd.), agreed that, in paragraph (b) –

for the words "Council of Ministers" there should be substituted the words "Legislation Advisory Panel";
for the words "a process" there should be substituted the word "legislation";
the words "Bilateral Investment" should be deleted;
after the word "Treaties" there should be inserted the words "and International Agreements signed by a Minister under entrustment from the United Kingdom Government or to be extended to Jersey under the United Kingdom's ratification process"; and
for the words "full consultation with, and approval" there should be substituted the word "ratification".

THE STATES resumed consideration of the proposition of Deputy Samuel Yves Mézec of St. Helier South , as amended, and adopting paragraph (a), requested the Minister for External Relations and Financial Services to take the necessary final steps to bring the Bilateral Investment Treaty with the United Arab Emirates into force as soon as possible.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 30 CONTRE: 15 ABSTAIN: 2

Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Martin Deputy A.F. Curtis Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of Grouville

Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Ouen

Connétable of St. Clement Deputy G.P. Southern

Connétable of St. Mary Deputy M. Tadier

Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat

Deputy C.F. Labey Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy S.G. Luce Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy K.F. Morel Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée

Deputy S.M. Ahier Deputy C.D. Curtis

Deputy I. Gardiner Deputy L.V. Feltham

Deputy I.J. Gorst Deputy R.S. Kovacs

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy M.B. Andrews

Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy R.E. Binet

Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell

Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson

THE STATES, adopting paragraph (b) of the proposition of Deputy Samuel Yves Mézec of St. Helier South , as amended, requested the Legislation Advisory Panel, in consultation with the Privileges and Procedures Committee, to bring forward legislation by which all Treaties and International Agreements signed by a Minister under entrustment from the United Kingdom Government or to be extended to Jersey under the United Kingdom Government's ratification process, were subject to ratification by the States Assembly before they came into force.

Members present voted as follows –

POUR: 47 CONTRE: 0 ABSTAIN: 0

Connétable of St. Helier Connétable of St. Lawrence Connétable of St. Brelade Connétable of Trinity Connétable of St. Peter Connétable of St. Martin Connétable of St. John Connétable of St. Clement Connétable of Grouville Connétable of St. Ouen Connétable of St. Mary Connétable of St. Saviour Deputy G.P. Southern Deputy C.F. Labey

Deputy M. Tadier

Deputy S.G. Luce

Deputy L.M.C. Doublet Deputy K.F. Morel

Deputy M.R. Le Hegarat Deputy S.M. Ahier

Deputy R.J. Ward

Deputy I. Gardiner

Deputy I.J. Gorst

Deputy L.J. Farnham Deputy K.L. Moore

Deputy S.Y. Mézec

Deputy Sir P.M. Bailhache Deputy T.A. Coles

Deputy B.B.de S.V.M. Porée Deputy D.J. Warr

Deputy H.M. Miles Deputy M.R. Scott Deputy J. Renouf

Deputy C.D. Curtis Deputy L.V. Feltham Deputy R.E. Binet Deputy H.L. Jeune Deputy M.E. Millar Deputy A. Howell Deputy T.J.A. Binet Deputy M.R. Ferey Deputy R.S. Kovacs Deputy A.F. Curtis Deputy B. Ward

Deputy K.M. Wilson Deputy L.K.F. Stephenson Deputy M.B. Andrews

Arrangement of public business for future meetings

THE STATES agreed the following arrangement of public business for future meetings proposed, as amended, by the Chair of the Privileges and Procedures Committee in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 88(3) –

21st March 2023

Draft Sanctions and Asset-Freezing (Amendment No. 3) (Jersey) Law 202-. P.4/2023. Lodged: 6th February 2023, Minister for External Relations and Financial Services.

Development of Town Masterplan. P.9/2023. Lodged: 28th February 2023, Connétable of St. Helier .

18th April 2023

Draft Endangered Species (CITES) (Amendment) (Jersey) Law 202-. P.8/2023. Lodged: 23rd February 2023, Minister for the Environment.

THE STATES rose at 1.05 p.m.

W.J.C. MILLOW Deputy Greffier of the States